Friday, 7 August 2026

Monthly Meeting Minutes – 7th August 2026

Date of Meeting: 7th August 2026


Location of Meeting:

The Sherloft, My House, Portsmouth, UK

 

Attendees:

"The Entire Canon" (Paul Thomas Miller)

 

Apologies:

"The Entire Canon" (Paul Thomas Miller) decided to have a meeting again, having forgiven the other members. They know what they did.

 

Toast:

Paul Thomas Miller (The Entire Canon) has been eating a lot of dry toast lately.

 

Presentation:

Paul Thomas Miller (The Entire Canon) presented the following theory:


The Black Shuck of the Baskervilles

 

Disclaimer: I am aware that I am not really expressing any new viewpoints or new data in this essay. I am very far from being the first to reach the conclusions I am laying out. This essay was very much for my own benefit and was an exercise in laying my thoughts out in a coherent manner to get them straight in my own head after recently visiting the Black Shuck Festival in Bungay. Which was awesome, by the way. You should definitely go next year.

 

There has been much confusion over the origins of The Hound of the Baskervilles and this is largely down to reports given by Arthur Conan Doyle. When Doyle met up with his acquaintance Bertram Fletcher Robinson on the SS Briton, returning from the Boer War in 1900, they became firm friends and shared stories. At some point, we are told, Robinson told Doyle a Devonshire legend regarding a black dog. This is reinforced by many accounts given by Doyle.

When, in August 1901, the story was first serialised in The Strand, he included the following statement:

This story owes its inception to my friend, Mr. Fletcher Robinson, who has helped me both in the general plot and in the local details.

In 1902 he wrote to Robinson as follows:

It was your account of a west country legend which first suggested the idea of this little tale to my mind. For this, and for the help which you gave me in its evolution, all thanks.

In a letter to Cecil Turner written in 1907, Doyle wrote:

My story was really based on nothing save a remark of my friend Fletcher Robinson's that there was a legend about a dog on the moor connected with some old family.

There are plenty of references from Doyle along these lines; that the story was inspired by a legendary black dog and that this legend was based in Devonshire. There is just one big Devonshire black dog legend, that of Squire Richard Cabell. The effect is such that the Wikipedia page for The Hound of the Baskervilles states as fact that the book is based upon the legend of Squire Richard Cabell a man, we are told, who was so evil that:

On 5 July 1677, he died and was buried in [a] sepulchre. The night of his interment saw a phantom pack of hounds come baying across the moor to howl at his tomb. From that night on, he could be found leading the phantom pack across the moor, usually on the anniversary of his death.

In reality, there is no evidence that any of the many Squire Richard Cabells was particularly unpleasant. This legend largely seems to have sprung up because of the strange grave one of them was given: the aforementioned sepulchre in Holy Trinity churchyard, Buckfastleigh.

This small tomb with rusted ironwork and fortress like appearance gave rise to stories that it was built more to keep the occupant in, that the grave robbers out. The wickedness of Squire Cabell seems to have been invented later to justify such tales.

But, regardless of facts, it is the legend which we should consider. This is not a monstrous hound stalking the moor. What we have instead, is a supernatural vision in which a hunting party, which happens to include some black dogs, is seen running across the moor. It is not seen as a threat, it is not chasing people and it does not portend any imminent doom.

I do not believe The Hound is based upon the legend of Squire Richard Cabell. I can believe he may have been mentioned in a discussion with Fletcher about English black dog folklore in April 1901, and Doyle conflated details, probably due to some slight misremembrance.

The two may have had a decent amount of black dog folklore to share with each other. Four years earlier, Doyle had moved into his newly built Undershaw home in Hindhead. In those four years he may well have heard the legend of nearby Betchworth Castle and the ghostly black dog which prowls its ruins at night. He may also have recalled Muckle Black Tyke from his time in Scotland. This myth regards a huge spectral hound which guards a cairn in Aberdeenshire. More likely, he could have heard about the black dog which protects the treasure hidden below a standing stone in the village of Murthly – a little to the north of Edinburgh, where Doyle was born and went to university.

In turn, Robinson could have had much to say on the subject. Since 1882, his home had been in Ipplepen, Devon. So he would have been aware of the Squire Cabell stories we have already discussed. However, the first 12 years of his life were spent in Liverpool. Here, he may have encountered the Lancashire legend of The Skriker. The following is a description taken from Lancashire Folk-lore by John Harland and Thomas Turner Wilkinson, 1867:

The Barguest, or Barn-ghaist of the Teutons, is […] reported to be a frequent visitor in Lancashire. The appearance of this sprite is considered as a certain death-sign, and has obtained the local names of "Trash" and "Skriker." He generally appears to one of the family from whom Death is about to select his victim, and is more or less visible, according to the distance of the event. I have met with persons to whom the barguest [bar-ghaist, i.e., gate-ghost] has assumed the form of a white cow, or a horse; but on most occasions "Trash" is described as having the appearance of a very large dog, with very broad feet, shaggy hair, drooping ears, and eyes "as large as saucers." When walking, his feet make a loud splashing noise, like old shoes in a miry road, and hence the name of "Trash." The appellation "Skriker" has reference to the screams uttered by the sprite, which are frequently heard when the animal is invisible. When followed by any individual he begins to walk backwards with his eyes fixed full on his pursuer, and vanishes on the slightest momentary inattention. Occasionally he plunges into a pool of water, and at times he sinks at the feet of the persons to whom he appears with a loud splashing noise, as if a heavy stone were thrown into the miry road. Some are reported to have attempted to strike him with any weapon they had at hand, but there was no substance to receive the blows, although the Skriker kept his ground. He is said to frequent the neighbourhood of Burnley at present, and is mostly seen in Godly Lane, and about the parish church. But he by no means confines his visits to the churchyard, as similar sprites are said to do in other parts of England and Wales.

More importantly for me, though, Robinson attended Jesus College, Cambridge from 1890 to 1894 where tales would likely have been told of the East Anglian black dog – Black Shuck. While the story of his 1577 appearance in Suffolk is perhaps the most famous account of this hell hound, he prowls the whole of the region: Suffolk, Norfolk and the Cambridgeshire Fens and has been sighted on several occasions in the countryside surrounding Cambridge. He is famous enough in the city that one of the many Cambridge ghost walks is name after him.

While the legend has had many variations over the years, Black Shuck is most generally considered to be a huge spectral black hound with large glowing red eyes. It roams East Anglia and its appearance has variously been considered a death omen, a warning, or a protection. Descriptions often seem to include two phrases: "eyes the size of saucers" and "as big as a calf". That said, he has also been described as anything between the size of a cat and a horse, and the eyes are sometimes normal, green, singular, triple or floating in the space where an absent head should be.

It seems likely that the name "Shuck" derives from the Old English "scucca" meaning devil, although some people have suggested that it derives from various European words describing shaggy hair. But, Black Shuck is not the only name given to this apparition. He has also been called Old Shuck, Old Shock, Shuck the Dog-Fiend, the Hell-Hound, Shuck Dog, Skeff, Owd Rugman, Old Scarfe, Old Scarfe, Snarleyow, Old Shap and The Hateful Thing.

It has been suggested that the Black Shuck legend has its beginnings in a report which appeared in the 1127 Peterborough Chronicle. (Peterborough is in Cambridgeshire, about a two hour drive from Bungay or an hour from Cambridge). It certainly seems to be the first place the word "Shuck" was used in this context. It is said that the arrival of a wicked new abbot, Henry of Poitou, set the wheels in motion for the appearance of mysterious huntsmen riding their black hounds and wreaking havoc in the area from the start of Lent until Easter. While similar to the previously described Cabell myths, it is to be noted that these black hounds, along with their huntsmen, detrimentally interacted with living people. It seems to be a more aggressive example of the Odin’s Wild Hunt myth. This extract from a translation of “Baldrs Draumar” (a 1689 (possibly earlier) Norse poem) describes an encounter with one of Odin’s hounds, and it is difficult not to see parallels with Shuck:

Him the dog of darkness spied,

His shaggy throat he opened wide,

While from his jaws, with carnage filled,

Foam and human gore distilled:

Hoarse he bays with hideous din,

Eyes that glow and fangs that grin;

(Translation by Thomas Gray, 1761; “The Decent of Odin”)

However, the first known record of Black Shuck proper is found in a pamphlet by Abraham Fleming in 1587 titled A Straunge and Terrible Wunder. He describes a mysterious event which took place in Bungay:

Sunday, béeing the fourth of this August, in ye yéer of our Lord 1577, to the amasing and singular astonishment of the present beholders, and absent hearers, at a certein towne called Bongay, not past tenne miles distant from the Citie of Norwiche, there fell from heauen an excéeding great and terrible tempest; sodein and violent, betwéen nine of the clock in the morning and tenne of the day aforsaid. This tempest took beginning with a rain, which fel with a wonderful force and with no lesse violence then abundance, which made the storme so much the more extream and terrible.

Which is the Elizabethan equivalent of "It was a dark and stormy night." Eventually, he gets to the point:

Immediatly héerupon, there appéered in a moste horrible similitude and likenesse to the congregation then & there present, a dog as they might discerne it, of a black colour: at the sight wherof, togither with the fearful flashes of fire which then were séene moued such admiration in the mindes of the assemblie, that they thought doomes day was already come.

This black dog, or the diuel in such a likenesse (God hée knoweth all who worketh all) runing all along down the body of the Church with great swiftnesse, and incredible haste, among the people, in a visible fourm and shape, passed betwéen two persons, as they were knéeling vppon their knées, and occupied in prayer as it séemed, wrung the necks of them bothe at one instant clene backward, in somuch that euen at a moment where they kneeled, they strangely dyed.

The dog then bounded off to nearby Blythburgh to cause similar chaos in the church there. As Fleming was a pious Christian, the text soon descends into a rant about how this was a sign from God and that we should all mend our ways. But soon the legend spread across East Anglia and sightings have been reported ever since.

It is notable that an account of the incredible storm which hit the area on this date is also included in Raphael Holinshed's ‘Chronicles of England, Scotland and Ireland', in 1587, for which Abraham Fleming was the general editor. There is no mention of demonic manifestations in this account – just meteorological ones:

On sundaie the fourth of August, between the hours of nine and ten of the clocke in the forenone, whilst the minister was reading of the second lesson in the parish church of Bliborough a town in Suffolke, a strange and terrible tempest of lightening and thunder strake through the wall of the same church into the ground almost a yard deepe, draue downe all the people on that side aboue twentie persons, then renting the wall vp to the reuestre, cleft the doore, and returning to the steeple, rent the timber, brake the chimes, and fled toward Bongie a towne six miles off. The people that were striken downe were found groueling more than halfe an houre after, whereof one man more than fortie years and a boie of fifteene years old were found starke dead: the other were scorched. The same or the like flash of lightening and cracks of thunder resnt the parish church of Bongie, nine miles from Norwich, wroong in sunder the wiers and wheeles of the clocks, slue two men which sat in the belfreie, when the other were at the procession of suffrages, and scorched an other which hardlie escaped.

The similarities in wording are of note: “strange and terrible” appears in both texts. It should also be noted that his account of the demonic hound at  Bungay and Blythburgh in 1577 was just one of a number of his descriptions of marvellous events. It seems to me that we owe the present notion of Black Shuck entirely to Fleming distorting a natural violent storm into a greater and more terrifying myth for the purposes of religious propaganda. I note too, that when he wrote his pamphlet, Fleming was keen to concentrate on Bungay over Blythburgh. This is probably because the people of St Mary’s in Bungay were engaged in a rather Catholic tradition (the procession of suffrages) and Fleming was a staunch Protestant. He was likely keen to demonstrate how the people of Bungay had brought about God’s wrath by not fully converting to the new faith.

The earliest print use of the name "Shuck" for this specific black dog comes from an 1850 edition of the journal Notes and Queries in which Reverend E. S. Taylor describes "Shuck the Dog-Fiend":

This phantom I have heard many persons in East Norfolk, and even Cambridgeshire, describe as having seen as a black shaggy dog, with fiery eyes and of immense size... One witness nearly fainted away at seeing it, and on bringing his neighbours to see the place where he saw it, he found a large spot as if gunpowder had been exploded there. A lane in the parish of Overstrand is called, after him, Shuck's Lane.

There are variations of the legend all over the East Anglia. Of special note is the Shuck Monkey (sometimes Shug Monkey), a supernatural black sheepdog with the face of monkey. This demon specifically haunts Cambridgeshire, between West Wrattling and Balsham (about 10 miles east of Cambridge). It is plausible that Robinson would have heard something about this bizarre local apparition during his University days.

While there is no definite proof that Robinson knew about Black Shuck already, it does seem likely. Robinson worked most of his life in the newspaper industry. When he met Doyle on the SS Briton, it was because he had been reporting on the Boer War for the Daily Express. Black Shuck, too, had occasionally been in the press. It is possible, then, that hey may have read these articles.

In September 1886, for example, a syndicated report appeared in several British papers titled ““Fairy Land” and Home Rule” by Our Ramling Reporter. The “Fairy Land” in question appears to be the Isle of Man, however the article describes a journey there from Norfolk, across the midlands, up to Liverpool and across from there. On the way, various supernatural traditions are reported upon and compared. Eventually there is a comparison of the Manx black dog myth – Moddey Dhoo – to Black Shuck:

A similar legend was, till a comparatively late period, connected with deep and narrow lanes in parts of Norfolk, where the folk were of Scandinavian decent. There the spectral hound was known as “Shuck Dog,” “Old Shuck,” or “Black Shuck,” and one deep narrow lane near Cromer is still known as “Shuck Lane.”

The specific mention of Cromer here is of interest, as we shall see later on.

Knight's Norfolk and Norwich Annual featured an article on Black Shuck in 1888. To promote it the following piece appeared in many newspapers around the UK in January 1888 (notably for Robinson this included his local rag: the North Devon Advertiser).

The Black "Shuck."

A huge shaggy black dog was formerly, and is even now, believed to prowl after dark along certain secluded narrow lanes near the East Norfolk coast. Various descriptions have been given of Old "Shuck," or Black "Shuck." Those who professed to have seen the beast trotting noiselessly along beneath the hedgerows described him with a blazing eye in the middle of his forehead; others represented him as a headless hound, all the more terrible because of his undeniably unnatural condition. Black "Shuck" was a real terror when people were more superstitious. To meet him was to receive notice to die before the year was out! Hence, perhaps, the widespread superstition that the howling of a dog is a death warning. Here we have a vestige of the belief in Odin. Our Scandinavian forefathers settled largely in East Norfolk. To them the soughing and whistling of the north wind on a dark night through the narrow gullies of the hills was the howling of the black hound of Odin...

An article appeared in the London paper The Globe on 20 September 1889 titled “The Devil in Arcady” which, in rather condescending tones, told of beliefs regarding the devil in rural England. One section relates to our topic:

There are scores of East Anglian peasants, not necessarily dwellers in remote and obscure villages, who gravely swear that they have seen and often do see the devil – not the familiar figure with horns, tail and cloven hoof, but their own peculiar East Anglian devil in the shape of the “Shuck Dog.” “Shuck,” say the etymologists, is derived from the Anglo-Saxon word for Satan, so that the “Shuck Dog” may be accepted as the peculiar shape in which the Evil One chooses to visit that portion of his dominions which we call East Anglia. The “Shuck Dog” is black – note that Horace speaks of the misfortunes awaiting those who meet a black dog. When he has a head there is a blazing eye in the forehead, but he us usually headless. Death within the year is the fate of whoever meets him, although he may be looked at with impunity; and ridiculous as it may sound, certain bridges and lanes used by the “Shuck Dog” are still avoided after nightfall by your old-fashioned East Anglian.

Plenty of other such articles exist in the press of the time. I do not propose that the existence of these articles proves Doyle or Robinson had read them. I merely mean to illustrate that this was a commonly known legend and was often discussed at the time. It is at least possible that one or both of the authors had encountered the legend already.

In April 1901 Doyle and Robinson holidayed together in Cromer, Norfolk, so that they might make use of the golf course there. During his stay in Cromer, Doyle wrote to his mother:

Fletcher Robinson came here with me and we are going to do a small book together “The Hound of the Baskervilles” – a real creeper.

(Incidentally, note that he was already calling it The Hound of the Baskervilles a full month before he met the driver Henry “Harry” Baskerville. It puts some doubt on many of the claims Harry made later on. While the name of Robinson’s family coachman may have already come up in conversation, any notions that Doyle used it because he was impressed by Harry’s character can be easily dismissed.)

It seems pretty clear, then, that the Cromer holiday is where they first spoke of black dog legends. Cromer Lighthouse was immediately behind the Royal Links Hotel (which was on the site of what is now Amber Bar & Restaurant). And the path to the lighthouse is reputed to be a favourite haunt of Black Shuck. Indeed, the path along the coast in front of the lighthouse along to the neighbouring village of Overstrand was known as Shuck’s Lane at the time. In 1894, the Eastern Daily Press carried a report about this area:

Mrs. Opie was staying at Northrepps Cottage in January 1829, and recalls the belief that at twilight every evening, the ghost of a dog is seen to pass under the wall of Overstrand churchyard, having started from Beeston. This four-footed ghost, unlike all human ones, is not only visible but tangible... Other historians relate that Shock rises out of the sea by Beeston, and runs along 'Shock's Lane' on to the hills by Overstrand, after which his course is uncertain.

It was such a part of local culture that in June of the same year The Cromer and North Walsham Post included a fictional tale “The Doom of the Black Shuck” in which Black Shuck brings death to the Cobb family, with the author seeing no need to explain to his readers what a Black Shuck might be. It seems inconceivable to me, that if Doyle and Robinson were speaking of mythological black dogs in the Royal Links Hotel, Cromer, they could have failed to speak about Black Shuck. They were staying right next to one of the hotspots for sightings. It simply must have come up.

The following month Doyle travelled to Devon, where he and Robinson based themselves at Rowe’s Dutchy Hotel in Princetown and they began exploring Dartmoor to make notes on the area as a setting for the story that they would go on to create.

But I feel that setting is the only thing that Dartmoor provided. It is a far bleaker and spookier setting for a haunting. The countryside of East Anglia – and I speak from experience of both landscapes – is rather jolly. Clear skies combined with flat landscape create an atmosphere of freedom and safety, rather than isolation and fear. Dartmoor, on the other hand, is full of ancient monuments, ruins and crags. Undulating terrain makes you feel penned in. Fog creeps around you from dusk until dawn. In the depths of the moor you feel entirely cut off from civilisation. I can entirely see why the pair chose it as a better setting for the story. No doubt the tales of Squire Cabell were mentioned, and with them comes the idea of a family curse, but The Hound, as it appeared in the finished story, I am certain was based upon Black Shuck.

The 1742 manuscript written by a Hugo Baskerville for his sons described the Hound of the Baskervilles as follows:

standing over Hugo, and plucking at his throat, there stood a foul thing, a great, black beast, shaped like a hound, yet larger than any hound that ever mortal eye has rested upon. And even as they looked the thing tore the throat out of Hugo Baskerville, on which, as it turned its blazing eyes and dripping jaws upon them

Abraham Fleming’s 1587 account of the shuck described a black dog which was giving off “fearful flashes”. And this developed into the version that was about in the late 1800s. The Norfolk and Norwich Annual published in 1888 described Shuck as “A huge shaggy black dog… with a blazing eye…” Mark that: both texts describe eyes as “blazing”.

In The Norfolk Garland, an 1872 book by John Glyde Shuck is described as “a black shaggy dog, with fiery eyes of immense size.”

Certainly these descriptions match the Baskerville hound better than those of a pack of black hunting dogs streaking across the sky. It is also true that the Baskerville legend is supposed to be an omen of death:

Such is the tale, my sons, of the coming of the hound which is said to have plagued the family so sorely ever since. If I have set it down it is because that which is clearly known hath less terror than that which is but hinted at and guessed. Nor can it be denied that many of the family have been unhappy in their deaths, which have been sudden, bloody, and mysterious.

Once encountered, those of the Baskerville line are not long for this world. Shuck is very much seen in the same light. If you see Shuck, it is said that you will be dead within the year. This bears a far closer resemblance to The Hound than Cabell’s self-punitive stampede across the sky on the anniversary of his death. There is no threat in the Cabell myth, only wonder. It is the growling, befanged, fiery eyed Shuck silently stalking the doomed which fits with the story of the Baskervilles. From his first 1587 description by Fleming through to the modern age, Shuck is described as giving off fiery light. How well this matches Watson’s account in chapter fourteen:

A hound it was, an enormous coal-black hound, but not such a hound as mortal eyes have ever seen. Fire burst from its open mouth, its eyes glowed with a smouldering glare, its muzzle and hackles and dewlap were outlined in flickering flame.

Consider, too, the origins of both hounds. Abraham Fleming would have us believe that Black Shuck was sent to a church in Bungay by the devil to punish us for our wicked ways. The Hound appeared in response to the original Hugo Baskerville crying aloud “…that he would that very night render his body and soul to the Powers of Evil if he might but overtake the wench…” who had escaped him. Both dogs were sent by the devil to do his work on Earth.

We can be pretty certain that Doyle and Robinson took other details from Cromer with them to use in The Hound. As I discussed in my book Finding Sherlock, Baskerville Hall is almost certainly actually a description of Cromer Hall - a large country house a brief stroll away from the Royal Links Hotel. Manor houses of the type described in The Hound simply do not exist in the middle of Dartmoor. And they never have. Manor houses have a tendency to stand in the middle of a manor – a rural estate. They are not isolated like Baskerville Hall was. And it is difficult to form any kind of estate somewhere as bleak as the moors. Villages and hamlets abound on the edges of Dartmoor. Not so many exist on the moor. Cromer Hall boasts the necessary towers, high chimneys, lodge gates, pillars and high angled roof to match with the Baskerville home. Old maps even suggest that there was once an evergreen straddled path down one side of Cromer Hall that may have been the original of the Yew Alley where Charle’s Baskerville died.

It may be of note, too, that the pillars either side of Baskerville Hall’s wrought iron gate were “surmounted by the boars' heads of the Baskervilles”. Boars seem to have been important in East Anglia. As early as 10BC the Iceni tribe, who dominated this land, were producing coins. Theirs were unusual, though, in that they often featured boars. They are also known to have carried bronze boar heads as battle standards. It is tentatively possible that Doyle and Robinson encountered some boar iconography during their Norfolk holiday. But I won’t insist upon it.

I am, however, almost certain that they moved the idea of the Hall from Cromer to Dartmoor. Why not, then, move the legend of Black Shuck too?

The only reason so many people insist that The Hound of the Baskervilles was inspired by the legends of Squire Cabell is that Doyle made a lot of sweeping references to it being based upon a Devonshire legend. I contend that he was mistaken. I believe that the Squire Cabell legend came up in a conversation about Black Shuck and that Doyle misremembered the details later on. This may have been exacerbated by the fact that when Doyle and Robinson visited Cromer Hall, it was occupied by one Benjamin Cabell


Any Other Business:

"The Entire Canon" (Paul Thomas Miller) while researching the above essay came across the following article from the Portsmouth Evening News from Saturday 7th April 1923:

Sir A. Conan Doyle’s Theory

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle believes that the death of Mr. Fletcher Robinson (formerly on the staff of the “Daily Express”) was caused by Egyptian “elementals” guarding a female mummy, because Mr. Robinson had begun an investigation of the stories of the mummy’s malevolence, cable the New York correspondent of the “Daily Express” on Friday.

“It is impossible to say with absolute certainty if this is true,” said Sir Arthur to me to-day. “If we had proper occult powers we could determine it, but I warned Mr. Robinson against concerning himself with the mummy at the British Museum. He persisted, and his death occurred.

“He became engrossed in the subject and wrote several articles for the ‘Daily Express.’ He talked to me about the matter. I told him he was tempting fate by pursuing his inquiries, but he was fascinated and would not desist. Then he was overtaken by illness.